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Post by mickeeteeze on Aug 15, 2013 9:19:36 GMT -8
Lol.
On the other board I used to post on, I coined the term 'Heeeeey's Law', similar to Godwin's Law, where if a discussion about Obama occurs long enough, someone will bring up Bush.
You mentioned Reagan. At least he didn't spend both his terms bitching and moaning about the previous admin and playing the blame game all the time.
When does Obama start to be held accountable for his policies and the job he's doing? I would say now, because recent polls show his approval ratings tanking.
Btw, I think both Obama and Bush were 'lucky' and had other forces behind them to pay their way, only who knows who financed Obama's education? There are no records to verify that he was even ever a law professor.LOL, that is funny! Mickees addendum to "Heeeeey's Law"? 'Many of the things you hate about Obama are excusable for others'! In terms of Reagan, as bad as things seemed, there is no comparison to what he inherited next to Obama. The Hostage Release Deal was already brokered. Did 'fear of Reagan' play into that? I love 'hypothetical' history. How about, "if the helicopters don't malfunction, and the military rescue of the hostages succeeds, is Carter re-elected"? Amazing how an equipment malfunction can permanently paint a Commander In Chief's legacy. In any case, Obama is held accountable, all day long, every day, by FOX news, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc. The NYT has skewered him at times. You're doing it now. I believe Obama is the 'king' made by the DNC 'king makers' because? Hillary had, and always has had, the ability to 'go rogue'. She could shock them all and go 'conservative' at times. That's why she's not in. I honestly feel she would have been a better choice in 2008. She likes a 'bully pulpit'. The ink wouldn't have been dry on her inauguration papers, and she'd have had the 55+ seat Senate signing a HC Bill, and we could have avoided a whole lot of long, useless drama on the Hill. And focused immediately on the economy, globalised trade, and the wars. Obama will be judged on his presidency in 2017. Are we better off now than we were in January 2009? One less war, and the economy isn't in freefall, so I'll say yes, if marginally. Could he have been better? Actually, I believe so. He should have used the majority in the Senate to pass HC right away. Instead, he played politics, pandering to both the right, and his 'Blue Dog' Dems concerned about re-election. He was elected on the mandate of HC reform, and ending wars. Whether he 'accomplished' HC reform won't be known for a few years. GWB was already working towards getting out of Iraq, Obama just continued. Obama continued Afghanistan. He DID get Bin Laden, and flew into a sovereign nation without permission to do so. That's not 'nothing'. Has outside perception of America changed? I hope so, but let's just say this: His winning of the "Nobel Peace Prize" is a fuggin joke.
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Post by admin on Aug 15, 2013 12:41:58 GMT -8
Obama didn't have a mandate. He won because more people didn't like Romney, and too many Republicans didn't bother to vote because they didn't like him.
Obama had an abysmal first term, and no other candidate could've won on that record except him. He's someone who is just lucky and has perfect timing. If the GOP had had a strong candidate, he wouldn't have had a chance.
I don't think Obamacare was a mandate because the majority of Americans never wanted Obamacare, and still don't want Obamacare.
I'm all for free health care for everybody, but anyone who thinks it's free is fooling themselves. It's a TAX. And the poor won't even be able to afford the required deductible. Illegal aliens don't have anything to worry about though. It'll be entirely free for them even if doctors don't get paid for their work.
Obama lucked out and took credit for killing Obama thanks to the very procedure he is against--waterboarding. He throws his convictions under the bus when it suits him politically. Why didn't he order that OBL be captured alive? That would've been more like him. For all his trashing of Bush and even calling him "un-American" for raising the deficit (that he tripled), he sure doesn't mind aligning with Bush's directives when it suits him.
The same guy who calls the Fort Hood massacre "workplace violence" didn't have any problem killing OBL and taking credit for it? The Seals who actually killed OBL resent Obama and have contradicted his account of what happened.
There isn't a single thing Obama says or does that isn't for political expediency. I have no doubt Hillary is the same way, but I do agree she was the best candidate, the best choice, and the most experienced in 2008. So why didn't she win?
And the Nobel Peace prize awards have no credibility anymore. He won it for 'wanting peace'. rolleyes
I'm surprised he wasn't given a Grammy for singing that Al Green song.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Aug 15, 2013 14:42:41 GMT -8
In 2008, the voters rejected Reagan Era 'Republicanism', the 'moral majority' (or Nixons 'silent majority') which culminated in GWB, and the neocons. You might want to start getting used to it. They didn't come out for Romney because they are dying of old age. A lot of them are my Aunts and Uncles, believe it. Curiously? Their parents were all Dems, go figure.
Believe me when I tell you, the sharper minds in the RNC are already on it, hence Jindal and Rubio.
Waterboarding is debatable as to the value of the intel. I'll be happy to have that discussion with you, just not now. Obama made the decision to go into a sovereign nation illegally. I'm glad it happened, I don't care who ordered it, what party or otherwise. I'd have been happy if he was had in 2002, before waterboarding. I'll bet a certain CIC would have had a 'mission accomplished' photo op. I would've been good with it. That's not about Bush, BTW. It's about my perception you view one side as perfect, and the other side as unforgivable. They do the same sht, they really do.
Of course taxes pay for Healthcare, wars and everything else. HC is a mandate. You know why polls are skewed? Because half those uninsured don't have a stable phone or address to be polled at.
I actually have to go. Maybe I'll look in later. Tonite I'm seeing a blues band at a beer and barbeque bar in Eastern Long Island, south shore. Cheers!
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Post by admin on Aug 19, 2013 6:19:52 GMT -8
Conservatives were unhappy with GWB because he spent like a liberal and often went along with the Dems' budget, then they have the audacity to complain about his spending.
Yes, Obama went against his usual 'principles' and allowed the seals to kill OBL which is something odd for him seeing as how he has removed words like 'jihad' and 'terrorist' and 'radical Islam' from the WH lexicon, and won't even call the Fort Hood shooter a terrorist, and calls his massacre of 13 American troops "workplace violence."
Yes, people wanted health care reform, but not the train wreck Obama came up with, nor do they want his corrupt cronies at the IRS running it. Some of the poor won't even be able to afford the deductible and would probably have to pay a fine, so it's all going to come back to bite them.
Btw, I am NOT 'better off' now than before that jackass slithered into office. I pay more now at the grocery store for less items, more at the gas pump, and pay more for everything because everything costs more for less of it.
He will leave office as the worst POTUS in recent US history. I can't imagine anything worse coming along after him.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Aug 20, 2013 3:44:24 GMT -8
Conservatives were unhappy with GWB because he spent like a liberal and often went along with the Dems' budget, then they have the audacity to complain about his spending.
Yes, Obama went against his usual 'principles' and allowed the seals to kill OBL which is something odd for him seeing as how he has removed words like 'jihad' and 'terrorist' and 'radical Islam' from the WH lexicon, and won't even call the Fort Hood shooter a terrorist, and calls his massacre of 13 American troops "workplace violence."
Yes, people wanted health care reform, but not the train wreck Obama came up with, nor do they want his corrupt cronies at the IRS running it. Some of the poor won't even be able to afford the deductible and would probably have to pay a fine, so it's all going to come back to bite them.
Btw, I am NOT 'better off' now than before that jackass slithered into office. I pay more now at the grocery store for less items, more at the gas pump, and pay more for everything because everything costs more for less of it.
He will leave office as the worst POTUS in recent US history. I can't imagine anything worse coming along after him.
I was going to give a detailed answer, but? Forget it. Whatever. You're a convinced Republican, that's what your posts say. OK, good for you. "I pay more at the grocery store......"? Yea, I agree. What a unique moment in American history! LOL.
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Post by admin on Aug 20, 2013 5:26:22 GMT -8
Why is it that anyone who criticizes Obama is a Republican and a racist? I'm sorry if you Obama supporters think he's above reproach, but he is NOT.
I did a lot of criticizing of GWB too when he was POTUS and got the same crap from Republicans then. I think both parties suck, but Democrats suck more.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Aug 20, 2013 5:46:16 GMT -8
Why is it that anyone who criticizes Obama is a Republican and a racist? I'm sorry if you Obama supporters think he's above reproach, but he is NOT.
I did a lot of criticizing of GWB too when he was POTUS and got the same crap from Republicans then. I think both parties suck, but Democrats suck more.
Well, I could be wrong, but I'm betting you are a Republican just the same. I'm doubting your critique of Bush was anywhere near as fierce as your relentless scathing of Obama, sorry. I'd like to see that. Maybe it's so, but i gotta wonder..... BTW, this? None of this pertains to our discussion, absolutely none of it. Don't hold your breath waiting for me to become some 'cartoon liberal' strawman you base your acerbic, and yes, 'flaming' arguments at. I'm pretty sure anyone reading this thread can see that A) I have no illusions about who Obama is or isn't, and B) My rejection of 'Republicanism', in terms of POTUS, is extremely measured, and tempered by 8 years of disastrous policies. Elections have consequences. You should kiss Obama's ass he didn't push for single payer. That was a clear concession to the right that never quite makes it to the RNC 'talking points' and 'narrative'.
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Post by admin on Aug 20, 2013 6:17:55 GMT -8
I did actually. I once said GWB was so stupid he had to drop his pants to count to 11. Then, I was called a traitor and un-American for criticizing Bush. Now, I'm called a racist, a w*tback, a sp*c, and an 'illegal alien' from the 'tolerant' ones. Guess which side I think are not only the worse of the two, but also abject hypocrites?
I used to post on a message board full of Republicans who were just as gung-ho about Bush as Obama supporters are of Obama. I see both as opposite sides of the same coin. However, I never heard any Rep say they got up their leg over GWB or the level of abject ass-kissing and worship, and hypocrisy, as liberals exhibit on a regular basis. The level of hypocrisy and kissing of Obama's ass by PHONIES who think they're not racist 'cause they voted for Obama, is on a scale never before seen in American politics.
As for kissing Obama's ass, if someone pushed me into a lake and I started drowning, I wouldn't kiss their ass for throwing me an inner tube.
P.S. All things considered, I still have to side with the one that's not anti-God, anti-Christian, and that doesn't kiss Muslim ass.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Aug 20, 2013 7:42:26 GMT -8
I did actually. I once said GWB was so stupid he had to drop his pants to count to 11. Then, I was called a traitor and un-American for criticizing Bush. Now, I'm called a racist, a w*tback, a sp*c, and an 'illegal alien' from the 'tolerant' ones. Guess which side I think are not only the worse of the two, but also abject hypocrites?
I used to post on a message board full of Republicans who were just as gung-ho about Bush as Obama supporters are of Obama. I see both as opposite sides of the same coin. However, I never heard any Rep say they got up their leg over GWB or the level of abject ass-kissing and worship, and hypocrisy, as liberals exhibit on a regular basis. The level of hypocrisy and kissing of Obama's ass by PHONIES who think they're not racist 'cause they voted for Obama, is on a scale never before seen in American politics.
As for kissing Obama's ass, if someone pushed me into a lake and I started drowning, I wouldn't kiss their ass for throwing me an inner tube.Well, as to the so called 'tolerant ones' making racist epithets? That sucks. But, i gotta say? I'm sure some cons would have hurled that at you if you weren't basically 'one of their own'. I know this is anecdotal, but what I'm about to say is true in my life. I grew up in a nice, blue collar neighborhood, north shore long island in the 60's and 70's. My Dad raised four kids in a bought home, built in pool in the yard, all on a NYC patrolman's salary. That world is long gone. That was the era that benefited from both FDR liberalism, and Eisenhower conservatism. By the 60's, they'd morphed into one. Save the civil rights movement, which was more of a cultural divide, the two parties weren't that far apart. I don't see JFK as very different than Nixon. LBJ's "Great Society" may scream liberalism to some, but how about that Medicaire? With that as my background, I will tell you this: most of my classmates are conservatives. An extremely uncomfortable amount of them (for me) equate anything 'Latino' with 'illegals'. Illegals to them is the number one problem in this country. YOU would represent 'illegals' to them, not to me. They are also fond of the word '*bleep*'. These kids grew up entitled, just like me. Do you have any idea how much 'f***king up' I did as a kid? There was always another shot for me. I didn't get it together until I was in my mid late 20's. Mind you, I wasn't exactly criminal. Self destructive and unambitious, yes. These same kids who largely bought their houses with Mom and Dads help, seem to think they set the world on fire with their 'work ethic' and 'individualism'. Well, sorry guys, you had a few advantages you'll never 'fess to. Case in point: Good friend of mine quit school to mow lawns for 400 bucks a week, 1978. Good money for a 16 YO back then. 20 grand was considered decent blue collar in 1978, and he was grossing 19. He went into business on his own (Dad helped with a loan). By the mid 80's he was established. During the 90's, he started hiring 'illegals' off of the corner, 50 bucks a day. For the next ten years I had to hear about how useless white MFer's are, and how he could get 3 Mexicans for the price of one. During this 'boom' for him, he was driving new Corvettes, Harley Davidsons, and dressing to the nines. FF into the 2000's. The same 'Mexicans' he trained bought their own mowers and priced him out. Now he's up shts creek without a paddle. Why? Because of the 'illegals', that's what he says. Would you believe this asshat actually tried to convince me he had to spend two hours in DMV the other day because the agency pushed him to the back to take care of the 'illegals' first. Right. So, IOW, that coding system where you get your number and sit and wait? According to him, it's geared towards giving illegals 'identification'. White boys paying admin fees for registrations are a 'nuisance'. While he hasn't quite said this, guess who's fault he figures this is? Obama's. The Muslim POTUS born in Kenya. Now, I know this guy is an angry old white man, but guess what? Don't even try to say he's an anomaly, because i know he's not. You're attempted narrative 'all the racists are liberals' flies in the very face of what I've grown up with. And this is not meant as a sarcastic slap in the face, but I don't know how else to say it: race posting, baiting, trolling, etc, on anonymous internet boards? Vs. what I see in real life? Please. And yes, I fully acknowledge black racism as well.
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Post by admin on Aug 20, 2013 9:11:46 GMT -8
Your background is very similar to most Americans who grew up in that era. I have cousins and a brother who wouldn't have what they have if parents and grandparents didn't provide the down payments, etc.
I know there is racism in both parties, but I'm referring more to the appalling hypocrisy of a party who prides itself for being so-called 'tolerant'. The way liberals have used race and played the race card to further their own agenda is sickening! THEY have done more to blur the line between illegal aliens and the rest of us who are Americans and legal immigrants than anything else.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Aug 20, 2013 10:27:15 GMT -8
Your background is very similar to most Americans who grew up in that era. I have cousins and a brother who wouldn't have what they have if parents and grandparents didn't provide the down payments, etc.
I know there is racism in both parties, but I'm referring more to the appalling hypocrisy of a party who prides itself for being so-called 'tolerant'. The way liberals have used race and played the race card to further their own agenda is sickening! THEY have done more to blur the line between illegal aliens and the rest of us who are Americans and legal immigrants than anything else.
This bit right here? This is fair. You are right. It's like that 'family values' BS surrounding Republicans. I'm not quite sure if the ideological 'race war' has had better/worse results. Maybe the time has passed. Certainly the early days of 'affirmative action' were both necessary and productive. They created a workforce culture of equal opportunity in what was a long standing 'no brainer' wherein the US workforce belonged to the white male. That 'prejudice' needed to go away, and I believe it largely has. As to the 'middle class' of yesterday and it's advantages? I have written many a message board essay on how it was basically the 'spoils of war' 1945 contributing to the US great 20th Century affluence, but I'll spare us all that. I do find it telling how these middle class second generation Repubs/Dems of today scream about how high their taxes are. Then tell them 5 neighborhoods away there is a town where the taxes are like half. But they scoff you would even suggest it. After all, 'you know who' lives there. That's some funny sh*t.
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Post by admin on Aug 20, 2013 11:14:37 GMT -8
I have never used AA. I got all the jobs I got in my life all by myself. I didn't need to take dumb-downed tests either, or anything else liberals instituted to lower standards because they think minorities are inferior.
I live in liberal tax & spend California. There are no towns with half the taxes that I'm aware of. If there were, they're probably gang rat-infested places.
The thing you can never say about Reps is that they don't have a dysfunctional, mutually dependent relationship with minorities the way the white elitist liberals do. They don't like minorities, but pander to them to stay in power. Likewise, liberal blacks don't like whites, but enjoy manipulating that 'white guilt' to get what they want. Why do you think Al Sharpton, et al, don't say anything when blacks attack or kill whites? It's because they couldn't care less.
More often than not, when a Rep is called out on his hypocrisy, he resigns and is no longer supported by the party.
When a liberal is called out on his hypocrisy, he's more than likely defended or excused.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Aug 20, 2013 12:15:00 GMT -8
I have never used AA. I got all the jobs I got in my life all by myself. I didn't need to take dumb-downed tests either, or anything else liberals instituted to lower standards because they think minorities are inferior.
I live in liberal tax & spend California. There are no towns with half the taxes that I'm aware of. If there were, they're probably gang rat-infested places.
The thing you can never say about Reps is that they don't have a dysfunctional, mutually dependent relationship with minorities the way the white elitist liberals do. They don't like minorities, but pander to them to stay in power. Likewise, liberal blacks don't like whites, but enjoy manipulating that 'white guilt' to get what they want. Why do you think Al Sharpton, et al, don't say anything when blacks attack or kill whites? It's because they couldn't care less.
More often than not, when a Rep is called out on his hypocrisy, he resigns and is no longer supported by the party.
When a liberal is called out on his hypocrisy, he's more than likely defended or excused.OH boy! I lost a long post i answered you with. I'll try again. Fantastic, as you are obviously smart and talented. Ever heard of Jackie Robinson? Of course! Josh Gibson? Yea, maybe, sounds familiar? Josh Gibson never made it to the bigs. By all accounts he was the best ballplayer PERIOD in the negro leagues. Jackie Robinson? Great ballplayer, not the best. Jackie Robinson, to a degree, was 'affirmative action'. The right guy to 'start something'. Willie Mays followed 4 years later. My childhood hero, BTW. Later followed by Roberto Clemente, and today Albert Pujols. Y'know, Heeeeey, not for nothing, maybe your talents go unnoticed in 1965. Me? I'd would have had more chances (1965) than I did later on. Seriously, man. Of course. My point exactly. Your taxes keep ya fkkn safe! There's plenty of less expensive places you can 'get what you pay for'. Well, because not so long ago, the Republican base didn't give a flying fk if you people were lit on fire and burned to death slowly. It's admirable you understand their 'feelings', but so be it. Al Sharpton is about Al Sharpton. I do believe once upon a time he meant well, but he got taken by the Brawley chick, and by then was a demagogue. Y'know, like Rush Limbaugh. The difference between Limbaugh and Sharpton? They try not to have the limo drop them off at the same places at the same time. Screaming 'horsesh*t' has paid well. ....and of course, this is where I go nuts. Broad generalization. Liberals believe in forgiveness and second chances. I'm talking personal, here. Conservatives (though not all, thankfully) believe in 'crime and punishment'. It's a philosophical thing. I believe in both, though I generally lean towards 'forgiveness'. Was it all that 'religious instruction' when i was a kid? No, thankfully, it's my nature. But I'll repeat: i keep my street smarts handy, at the ready.
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Post by admin on Aug 20, 2013 15:08:16 GMT -8
"You people"?
Speaking of broad generalizations. rolleyes
I will admit that the liberals have done a fine job of slandering Republicans. The party of the original KKK has done a great job of convincing people that the GOP is all about rich, old white men who would like to put minorities, women, the poor and elderly in concentration camps, and they call any minority who doesn't toe the liberal line an 'uncle Tom', etc., because we are all supposed to have one mind and not have differing views and opinions like white people do.
That's what they're all about...keeping the minorities 'under control' on their plantation. I know PLENTY of Republicans who are neither white, male or rich, but would rather have opportunities than food stamps.
Well, more and more Americans who are minorities are waking up to their little game/scam.
Professor Cornell West is one of them.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Aug 21, 2013 4:37:34 GMT -8
LOL. You will 'admit' liberals have done a fine job of slandering Republicans. Thanks for the concession. Always willing to see the other side, I knew I could count on you!
"You People". The minorities, particularly blacks. That's right. The GOP fought for decades to keep them at the back of the bus and worse. Were there blue dog Dems? Sure.. But this isn't Civil War Era. This was a mere generation and a half ago, and lots of those folks are still alive. Good luck getting their 'hearts and minds'. Those who lived under it don't quite remember it the way you do.
Under the control at the plantation, game/scam, etc. But making a 'religious right' voting bloc? That's different!
Dr Cornell West has been brilliant for a long time. Being critical of black leadership is nothing new fer him. What, did "Townhall.com" read something he wrote by accident, decide they liked it, and print it recently?
Watch Mahers 'Realtime'. West is a panelist every season for one show.
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