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Post by admin on Sept 26, 2013 7:01:06 GMT -8
Since Obama claimed people who have insurance can keep their same insurance, I don't expect to be affected by Obamacare at all...unless he LIED.
Anyway, it seems like healthy adults in their 20s are going to be paying for the bulk of it with higher premiums.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Sept 27, 2013 8:55:56 GMT -8
I'm not going to sit here and deny Universal Healthcare will cost money. Of course it will. Ultimately, the young and healthy are going to bare the burden: the same way those working now pay for my Moms SSI. The way good drivers ultimately pay for bad ones. It's an insurance pool. It's going to suck for some people at first.
I have to say here: my support of 'healthcare' doesn't have much to do with 'left/right' political paradigm, although I suppose semantically it falls 'left'. My concept is very moralistic: "I am my brothers keeper". And yes, since our whole economy is essentially a 'pool', the proverbial "We" can afford to take care of our own.
The US famously celebrates 'individualism'. But we are a "we". That's my opinion. I wish the Dems would have let Nixon handle this, as he was going to in the 70's. The Dems blocked it. My opinion is not based on any political affiliation. If McCain ran on "HC", I'd have voted for him, my 'trickle down issues' be damned.
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Post by admin on Sept 28, 2013 8:41:42 GMT -8
It will be the DMV of health care. Take a number. I expect the quality will be bad too.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Sept 28, 2013 12:29:38 GMT -8
It will be the DMV of health care. Take a number. I expect the quality will be bad too.Would it surprise you if I said I agree with you? At least to some extent? All things being equal? I really wish this would have been included in the reforms of the 1930's. Healthcare (I believe) is more intrinsic to a 'social contract', than 'welfare' for those who refuse to work. I also believe 'welfare people driving Mercedes Benz's' is laughably overstated by the American right. Criminals come in all walks of life. It would take about 50 million 'welfare Benz drivers' to pop a zit off of Bernie Madoffs crimes. And I'll digress here just to mention a curious 'stat' mentioned on Mahers show last night. Fascinating, but admittedly, no source was mentioned. There are two years in American history wherein the wealthiest top 1% controlled up to 23% of the nations economic value. 1928 and 2007. Scary, no? Has anything changed, this time around? Food for thought, anyway.
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Post by admin on Sept 29, 2013 8:02:32 GMT -8
It would surprise me somewhat. You are obviously not one of those 'Obama-can-do-no-wrong' liberals.
The solution is to vote the Democrats out of power in 2014, making Obama even more of a lame duck.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Sept 29, 2013 8:11:51 GMT -8
It would surprise me somewhat. You are obviously not one of those 'Obama-can-do-no-wrong' liberals.
The solution is to vote the Democrats out of power in 2014, making Obama even more of a lame duck.
Solution to what? The disastrous concept of Healthcare? Or just in general? I don't buy into "Obama ruined this country!". A) I don't believe the country is 'ruined'. B) Our problems stem from both parties marriage to corporate America, IMO. Many of them, anyway.
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Post by admin on Sept 29, 2013 15:56:00 GMT -8
Yes, he is trying his darnedest to weaken this country, whether it's intentional or not, I won't speculate on that, but he ran on wanting to 'fundamentally' change it, and that should've been a red flag from the beginning.
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Post by mickeeteeze on Sept 29, 2013 16:04:55 GMT -8
Yes, he is trying his darnedest to weaken this country, whether it's intentional or not, I won't speculate on that, but he ran on wanting to 'fundamentally' change it, and that should've been a red flag from the beginning.
Really? You actually believe his GOAL is to ruin the US? Really? I don't understand. I really don't. In what way. Please, be specific, cos I'll destroy Hannity BS.
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Post by admin on Sept 29, 2013 18:31:23 GMT -8
Hannity has nothing to do with why I believe it. I'm not saying he believes what he wants for the country is bad, but whether he believes it or not, his policies have not been good for the country. And it seems like he is so arrogant and narcissistic, even if he sees his policies don't work, he wouldn't admit it.
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Post by donna on Sept 30, 2013 5:00:25 GMT -8
Probably the same people who paid for the identical scheme in Romneycare.
And why should people find the idea that the rich should pay more so strange?
It's basic common sense to most people
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Post by admin on Oct 1, 2013 12:01:20 GMT -8
Are most healthy 20-something's rich? They are going to be paying the bulk of it.
I don't get why if Dems liked the idea of Obamacare so much, why didn't they vote for Romney who actually knew how to implement the original model?
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Post by donna on Oct 2, 2013 5:04:56 GMT -8
Apart from the fact that Romney is an even bigger clown thatn Obama, there are lots of other reasxons why the Republican 'agenda' in 2012 was a huge turn0off for mots voters.
you have to govern a country from the centre and not the left or right.
the tea party are just a bunch of clowns and traitors as tey've demonstrated by their latest piece of stupidity.
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Post by donna on Oct 2, 2013 5:06:24 GMT -8
And every President for years runs on a platform of change but as some bloke in the John Birch Society said, spring never arrives!
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Post by admin on Oct 2, 2013 7:24:21 GMT -8
Apart from the fact that Romney is an even bigger clown thatn Obama, there are lots of other reasxons why the Republican 'agenda' in 2012 was a huge turn0off for mots voters. you have to govern a country from the centre and not the left or right. the tea party are just a bunch of clowns and traitors as tey've demonstrated by their latest piece of stupidity.
I always knew it was a mistake for the GOP to nominate Romney. Not even the conservatives liked Romney and many didn't vote for him. They probably just stood home. That's another reason Obama got lucky. No other president with his abysmal job performance ever got re-elected. If the GOP had had a stronger candidate, Obama most certainly would not have gotten re-elected. That, and the fact that some people voted for Obama two times and other forms of voter fraud.
Both GOP candidates, McCain and Romney, tried to run as 'Mr. Nice White Guy' and refused to attack Obama hard on the issues for fear of being called 'racist'. It was also feared that Romney would be more likely to start another war. If not for Russia's intervention, Obama was ready to do that very thing. I'm not so sure he still won't with his willingness to naively let Iran acquire nuclear material.
The Democrats are also masters at character assassination and did a great job of demonizing Romney, going so far as to call him a murderer, and Romney did an ineffective job of defending himself. Taking the high road with Democrats will never work.
Both McCain and Romney tried running from the middle, and lost. They shouldn't have bothered trying to win over or appeal to Democrats, and strictly concentrate on conservatives and Independents. I doubt they will ever change their strategy because they don't seem to learn. They fall into every trap Democrats lay out for them every time.
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