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Post by admin on Apr 14, 2020 3:37:01 GMT -8
High schools being portrayed as being ruled by bullies and cliques. I'm 61. I went to high school in the 70s. I didn't go to the same school all my elementary friends went to. I never had any problem with bullies or cliques. Same with my two sisters in the 80s. Usually the only characters are the victim, the victim's only friend, the bully, and his or her gang. All the other kids at the school (usually 100s) are portrayed as window dressing. There is nobody cool or decent in the the other 100s of kids that the victim could be friends with? I haven't seen too many of those movies to notice. That seemed to be the case in Rebel Without a Cause.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 14, 2020 3:50:40 GMT -8
High schools being portrayed as being ruled by bullies and cliques. I'm 61. I went to high school in the 70s. I didn't go to the same school all my elementary friends went to. I never had any problem with bullies or cliques. Same with my two sisters in the 80s. Usually the only characters are the victim, the victim's only friend, the bully, and his or her gang. All the other kids at the school (usually 100s) are portrayed as window dressing. There is nobody cool or decent in the the other 100s of kids that the victim could be friends with? I haven't seen too many of those movies to notice. That seemed to be the case in Rebel Without a Cause. In my experience, it's a tired, eye rolling cliche. For a while there was this big liberal movement against bullying. But Hollywood . . . It seems every actor or writer in Hollywood was either a victim of bullies, or a bully themselves. Or Hollywood is using TV Shows and movies to advance a social justice cause (imagine that). But most movies and TV shows I see have this tired, overdone dynamic in their portrayal of high school.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 26, 2020 10:50:29 GMT -8
In most horror and action movies and TV shows --- whether it's a murder mystery or monsters --- the victims are super vulnerable. They flip out, panic, do stupid things and make themselves easy victims.
They don't remain cool, calm, collected or logical.
Unless you are super vulnerable yourself, it's hard to relate to the victims. You are left with the feeling of "This is contrived." Or "They're so stupid, they deserve to die."
Those types of movies don't scare many people because many people can figure out why they wouldn't be a victim in that same circumstance. And they lose interest figuring the movie or TV show is just stupid.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 26, 2020 10:51:17 GMT -8
In most chase scenes, the victim will fall down.
And then the inevitable look of fear, raising their hands, and slowly crawling backwards. (Most of us could get back to our feet and run away in the time they waste looking afraid, raising their hands, and slowly crawling backwards.)
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Post by admin on Apr 26, 2020 10:55:03 GMT -8
Two people are having a conservation while riding along in a car. The scene cuts out showing that they have traveled a considerable distance -- often to their destination. Then they're shown picking up the conversation exactly where they left off.
Did they stop talking during that time in between, or decide to talk about something else and then pick up the same conversation later?
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Post by admin on Apr 26, 2020 10:56:41 GMT -8
In most horror and action movies and TV shows --- whether it's a murder mystery or monsters --- the victims are super vulnerable. They flip out, panic, do stupid things and make themselves easy victims. They don't remain cool, calm, collected or logical. Unless you are super vulnerable yourself, it's hard to relate to the victims. You are left with the feeling of "This is contrived." Or "They're so stupid, they deserve to die." Those types of movies don't scare many people because many people can figure out why they wouldn't be a victim in that same circumstance. And they lose interest figuring the movie or TV show is just stupid. Especially in the old movies where the monster could hardly move. The original Mummy barely could walk, yet the victims couldn't outrun him.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 26, 2020 10:58:48 GMT -8
In most horror and action movies and TV shows --- whether it's a murder mystery or monsters --- the victims are super vulnerable. They flip out, panic, do stupid things and make themselves easy victims. They don't remain cool, calm, collected or logical. Unless you are super vulnerable yourself, it's hard to relate to the victims. You are left with the feeling of "This is contrived." Or "They're so stupid, they deserve to die." Those types of movies don't scare many people because many people can figure out why they wouldn't be a victim in that same circumstance. And they lose interest figuring the movie or TV show is just stupid. I think this cliche --- and it is a cliche --- is called "paralyzed with fear". It's overdone.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 26, 2020 10:59:20 GMT -8
In most horror and action movies and TV shows --- whether it's a murder mystery or monsters --- the victims are super vulnerable. They flip out, panic, do stupid things and make themselves easy victims. They don't remain cool, calm, collected or logical. Unless you are super vulnerable yourself, it's hard to relate to the victims. You are left with the feeling of "This is contrived." Or "They're so stupid, they deserve to die." Those types of movies don't scare many people because many people can figure out why they wouldn't be a victim in that same circumstance. And they lose interest figuring the movie or TV show is just stupid. Especially in the old movies where the monster could hardly move. The original Mummy barely could walk, yet the victims couldn't outrun him. I think this cliche --- and it is a cliche --- is called "paralyzed with fear". It's overdone.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 26, 2020 11:02:56 GMT -8
Especially in the old movies where the monster could hardly move. The original Mummy barely could walk, yet the victims couldn't outrun him. I think this cliche --- and it is a cliche --- is called "paralyzed with fear". It's overdone. How many horror movies does one have to watch until they are no longer "paralized with fear"? I think I would rather just die than be "paralyzed with fear" --- again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 13:28:57 GMT -8
I'll tell you one I'm tired of hearing. "They are outraged".
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Post by admin on Apr 26, 2020 15:45:27 GMT -8
Especially in the old movies where the monster could hardly move. The original Mummy barely could walk, yet the victims couldn't outrun him. I think this cliche --- and it is a cliche --- is called "paralyzed with fear". It's overdone. Or that person who 'saw something' but is in too much shock to say anything or can only say a few mysterious words. I think I'd rather die than be in that much shock.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 26, 2020 19:12:14 GMT -8
I think this cliche --- and it is a cliche --- is called "paralyzed with fear". It's overdone. Or that person who 'saw something' but is in too much shock to say anything or can only say a few mysterious words. I think I'd rather die than be in that much shock. I just get so tired of seeing victims in action and horror movies and TV shows falling victim, because they were "paralyzed with fear" when I can easily look at the situation and say, "All they had to do was this or that and they would have gotten away or defeated whatever." It means the bad guy or thing is not that scary. So --- how and why would I be afraid of the bad guy or thing? And --- I can't really feel bad for the victims because they are so stupid. And --- I can't enjoy the movie or TV show because it's about stupid people doing stupid things. I already know being stupid is consequential. Who doesn't? I'm not really in the target audience of Hollywood. So I guess their target audience is stupid, ignorant, naive . . . ??
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Post by movieliker on Apr 26, 2020 20:12:32 GMT -8
I was watching The Lost World: Jurrasic Park this weekend. So many cliches.
- Big bad greedy corporation that cares more about money than life itself. - People running from dinosaurs and falling down. Instead of getting up and running away, they scream, crawl backwards "paralyzed with fear". - People facing off with dinosaurs. Instead of doing things that would allow them to escape, they do nothing because they are --- "paralyzed with fear".
I remember seeing this movie with a date when it first came out. We were both extremely disappointed it was so stupid.
Same thing with the King Kong and Godzilla movies. Except they have the cliche of people shooting pistols and machine guns at monsters bigger than buildings. (Uh, it didn't work in the beginning of the movie. Or the middle of the movie. I don't think it's gonna work in the end. But surprise, they keep doing it. At best, all it does is aggravate the monsters and make them more dangerous.) Then of course, when the pistols and machine guns don't work, they run and fall down. And instead of getting up and running some more, all they can do is scream and crawl backwards because they are "paralyzed with fear".
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Post by admin on Jun 8, 2020 14:58:16 GMT -8
movieliker, I thought of another one. Someone sits down to eat a nice dinner, and for some reason doesn't eat it. He/she either gets a phone call and has to leave or some other reason, and the food is left uneaten.
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Post by admin on Jun 21, 2020 8:44:51 GMT -8
movieliker, I thought of another one. I think this is one, sort of: In murder mysteries, the one that everybody hates is the one that gets murdered, then an investigation ensues of all the suspects. The question, why would anybody even care who killed the hateful one?
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